S. Simon Jacob: 0:09

Welcome to The Kosher Terroir. I'm Simon Jacob, your host for this episode from Jerusalem. Before we get started, I ask that, wherever you are, please take a moment and pray for the safety of our soldiers and the safe return of all of our hostages. Tura Winery was founded by Vered and Erez Ben-Sa'adon in 2003. It is an extremely well-regarded boutique estate winery located in the village of Rechelim in the Shomron Samaria, israel. The couple initially planted vineyards on Har Barachah in 1997, focusing in on the area's ideal climate, altitude and terroir for high-quality wine production.

S. Simon Jacob: 1:01

The following is a conversation with Vered BenSa'adon. She plays a dynamic and multifaceted role at Tura Winery Beyond her official title as co-owner with her husband, erez, verid is not just a passive partner but instrumental in both the strategic and day-to-day management, overseeing the winery's operations, marketing and outreach efforts. She is also deeply committed to promoting the winery's unique identity, which is tied to the geographical and religious significance of the Shamron Samaria, advocating for the winery's mission, the importance of the land, and passionately representing the region and its wines both within Israel and on the international stage. If you're driving in your car, please focus on the road ahead. If you're home, please select a wonderful bottle of kosher wine. Sit back, relax and enjoy this truly passionate wine episode. First of all, Welcome to The Kosher Terroir. Okay, that's the beginning of it.

Vered Ben-Sa'adon: 2:11

Thank you very much so welcome, welcome.

S. Simon Jacob: 2:12

Can you tell me a little bit about your unique background and how your family's history influenced your path towards living in Israel and starting the winery, especially?

Vered Ben-Sa'adon: 2:24

So I'm 47 years old. I was born in Holland to a non-Jewish mother and a Jewish father. My parents were students in a theology school. They were learning about Buddha and when they finished learning they asked the teacher why don't you teach Judaism? And he told them he don't know how to teach it. So they began to ask other people in Israel and we made Aliyah to Israel and converted by the Rabbi Gohan himself. Today my parents live in Kochav Shachar.

Vered Ben-Sa'adon: 2:50

It's like an hour from here and they're neighbors of my in-laws that came from Morocco and Iran and that's how I met Erez. We married very young. We live in Mount Gerizim and we want to settle the land and that's why we began to plant vineyards. My parents had no background with agriculture, also not my in-laws. We wanted to settle the land and that's why we did what we did and it became one of the famous places for the best grapes in Israel today because of Mount Gerizim, not because of mistakes, I know it's because of that, but not everybody knows that.

S. Simon Jacob: 3:29

Kohava Shachar. Was it a special place to grow up? Did it impact your view on the community?

Vered Ben-Sa'adon: 3:37

So Kohava Shachar is a very nice place to live at. A lot of nature around and also agriculture. So as children we were working there. We worked there in the fields, in the vineyards and helping the season during the season. But I think the most important thing was that after we married and we lived among the zim, that was like we were family number 14. It was too small, it was really. We wanted to settle the land. So we did agriculture, not because we thought it would be a good business to do. It was because we knew that every Jew in Samaria has like maximum of half a dunam. If you have, if you have agriculture, you can have hundreds of dunams. So that's the way to settle land. So that's why we did it, not because of experience, because of money was of nothing. So yeah, but Bezrat Hashem, god promised, who will love the land, the love, will give them love back. So that's what we see.

S. Simon Jacob: 4:41

What motivated you and Erez to establish the Tora Winery, especially in 2003, which was the second Intifada it? Was in the middle of everything that was going on.

Vered Ben-Sa'adon: 4:55

Yes, we lived there Actually at that time, maybe a year or two before we moved to another hill next to Mount Gerizim because we wanted to expand Har Barakah and we lived there with nobody there was even a tank of the army that took care of us as a family, like went around and around the caravan.

Vered Ben-Sa'adon: 5:18

We were young, we went to settle the land no other reasons and it became an empire, all this area Like every. Also today you can see kids like 17, 20 years old. They're living on a hill alone, nothing around them, and it will be a yeshuv Bezat Hashem one day. So that's how this area is growing because of pioneers. To be a pioneer in this region, you need to be. Today it's easier, much easier than it was. We see many tourists in normal days not in days like this, but you see people come because it's like more normal to live here and you see places, nice places and restaurants and places to sleep at. So it became more normal to live here and that's good. It's a good thing.

S. Simon Jacob: 6:17

How does Tura reflect the two of your Tzioni background?

Vered Ben-Sa'adon: 6:25

I was never thinking even. It's like we did what we needed to do. So we grow, we produce, we sell, we show the people that to be a normal person and to have good and normal life, that's our mission in my life. So we never thought about what we want to do. We went into it with no prior, we didn't choose it, and every day is like you're on a mission with what you want.

S. Simon Jacob: 6:55

So how did you start the winery? So, after we married, we lived in Mount Gizim Yep.

Vered Ben-Sa'adon: 7:01

We began planting. We had no knowledge, because we want to settle the land because of what I told you.

S. Simon Jacob: 7:07

Yep.

Vered Ben-Sa'adon: 7:07

So we grow, and after four years we began to sell the grapes to a big winery in Israel and they stopped. They bought for two years our grapes, but after two years they got problems because they bought wines from the occupied territories, so called. So they stopped buying the grapes and we got a problem. We said, ok, what can we do? And we said, ok, we will try to open a winery. And that's the real story. We opened a winery in 2003 with four barrels. Today it's already 280,000 bottles a year.

Vered Ben-Sa'adon: 7:43

So imagine how much we grow in 23 years. It's a lot, and four barrels it's around 1,200 bottles.

S. Simon Jacob: 7:52

Yeah, it's 300 bottles, a barrel approximately.

Vered Ben-Sa'adon: 7:54

Right, more or less Right.

S. Simon Jacob: 7:58

What were the challenges you faced at the beginning? Were there some challenges you could talk about?

Vered Ben-Sa'adon: 8:03

So you mentioned the Second Intifada. Yeah, we lost many friends at that time and it was very hard to live here. Thank God, things changed. Um, unfortunately, now in all israel it's not easy to live because it's not easy to be a jew, and that's what I'm telling the people already 20 years. I'm hosting the people here in this place and I'm telling everybody who's asking we don't live here because of the neighbors or because of money. We live here because we need to settle the land and we had a time. It's much better than when it was in the beginning. We saw tourists, many places, new places. It's much better. The place grows. Many families, new families and more yeshuvim. Many, many things change families and more yeshuvim, more many, many things changed.

Vered Ben-Sa'adon: 8:59

But unfortunately, these days we see that in the end, you know people blame me for years that I'm the problem of the universe because I'm a settler, right. And I told them no, you're not right, it's not me, trust me. They hate you because you are a jew. Even you live in tel aviv, right, and they were arguing with me many times. These days, I think people some of them, not all of them understand that to be a Jew and to live in Israel. It's a mission. It's something you need to love to do. You live in Tel Aviv, that's it.

S. Simon Jacob: 9:36

A hundred percent.

Vered Ben-Sa'adon: 9:38

And it's not about if we will be kind or give land back, or even only if all of us will move to Uganda. Maybe then, but also I don't think so.

S. Simon Jacob: 9:47

I don't think so. I don't think so at all. I don't think so.

Vered Ben-Sa'adon: 9:50

They didn't kill us in the Holocaust because we were settlers right.

S. Simon Jacob: 9:54

Right. So, I think it's the same thing.

Vered Ben-Sa'adon: 9:57

Look, from October 7, I realized more and more that's my job in my life to be a Jew, to be a good Jew and don't think too much what people think about us. Do what you need to do, and that's it. Because even if you tried and then trust me, I tried many times to host arabs and to invite them from the arabs village around. I was naive. Today I'm not anymore I don't trust him.

Vered Ben-Sa'adon: 10:27

I can't sorry, I can't, I, I can't take any more risk. That's it, I think it's. I don't know how to say it in english. I think it's um, I think it's.

S. Simon Jacob: 10:34

I don't know how to say it in English.

Vered Ben-Sa'adon: 10:35

I think it's. I think it's a reality. Like Hashem created the world, he said, it's written, it's a fact to stay like that and I know as a Jew I'm sorry to say it, but I have two kids that are fighting in Gaza right now, so I know what the feeling is and as a mother, it's very hard, but I know that it's a fact and if we will try to do different, if we will give back, if we will do this and that in the end, it will be happening again in 100 years, 10 years, because it's a fact in the world. That's how Hashem created the world.

Vered Ben-Sa'adon: 11:12

We, as Jews, need to do what we need to do and that's how it will be forever, until Moshiach will come, and until then, we need to do what we can, and it's not helping. We need to defend ourselves, but if we think stupid thoughts of giving land back we saw in Gush Katip it was not helping it's even worse. Everything that's happening today is because of that. From my perspective, that's what I believe. So we need to understand who created the world. What is our tafkid in this?

S. Simon Jacob: 11:50

life and that's it, to be representative of God Right, and it's a huge responsibility. We didn't choose this no we didn't choose this, he chose us yes, Okay.

Vered Ben-Sa'adon: 11:58

so maybe some of us will say no, okay, we don't want it, we give up.

S. Simon Jacob: 12:04

Talk to me a little bit about your expansion into the international markets. So we're selling today, especially Dubai, and what have you?

Vered Ben-Sa'adon: 12:18

Okay, so we're selling today 55% outside the country to many places, most of it to New York, like most of the other wineries in the country. We have Russia, we have the East Singapore, for example. We have Europe. Europe, by the way, these days is not easy. Also, the Jews that live there are suffering, so it's not easy as well. Um and dubai, like after the peace process, we went there. I went there after a few weeks, maybe three weeks, and we sold wine and olive oil. These days, unfortunately, it's not so easy. The still is.

Vered Ben-Sa'adon: 12:49

The peace process is still continuing right but, uh, israeli people are not going there so often anymore. By the way, the government is telling them not to go these days. You don't know, you don't know, who's waiting to kill you. So also to Morocco and places like that. So yeah, it's less. These days, europe and Dubai, of course, is less, and even Morocco is still too, but it's less. This is Europe, and Dubai, of course, is less, and even Morocco is still too, but it's now less, but we believe one day it will be better.

S. Simon Jacob: 13:22

Tell me a little bit about your hope for what people feel when they drink your wine.

Vered Ben-Sa'adon: 13:28

I'm telling the people, when you drink two wines, it's not only a wine, a special wine, a good wine with awards by the way, we have a lot of awards from all around the world but it's more than that. When Jeremiah came after the exile, he told the people here in the land of Israel. He told them oti tikramim be'ereshomgon. It means one day. He promised them you should come back to your land, produce wine and plant vineyards and so on. That's what he promised them. So we had the honor to come up to 2,000 years back to Mount Gerizim that was empty, waiting for us, plant the vineyards and have the best mellow grapes in Israel.

Vered Ben-Sa'adon: 14:10

So that's something. With no knowledge, with nothing. It's a miracle, like the first wine gets the first medal. So this is more than a good wine. It's a very good wine. It has many awards, many good scores, but it's much more than that. This is the prophecies that you're drinking. It's like you're holding the prophecies of Jeremiah that promised us to come back. So we came back, we succeed, we have very good wine and it's really. I'm telling it to every group and I'm still excited by this fact that it's really a miracle. I really feel and believe in it.

S. Simon Jacob: 14:47

It's an incredible time to be in Israel.

Vered Ben-Sa'adon: 14:49

So it's not easy, but I will tell you something, because I was not born as a Jew.

S. Simon Jacob: 14:55

Yeah, okay, I converted, so I still Ask.

Vered Ben-Sa'adon: 14:58

From time to time I ask myself why do I need this? Why? But my grandmother that survived the Holocaust? She said like it's a nice country. There are things you need to fix, no question, no doubt. Yeah, but never get used to the fact that you have a country, that you have your own country. So she, as a generation who suffers so much in the Holocaust, she told us, she educated us so it's not perfect, Israel is not perfect, but don't get used to the fact that you have your own country, Never. So even today, if it's hard, I'm trying to remember what she said.

S. Simon Jacob: 15:38

Is there one incredible experience that you've had that made you feel incredibly special at the winery and what you've done with the winery?

Vered Ben-Sa'adon: 15:50

So small stories and big stories, like yesterday we had a visit of the ambassador of Taiwan. Okay, this for me is a small story, but it's a big miracle why they even think about Rechelim or about Torah, why they even came here. So that's a small story, and a big story is the fact we had the honor to light the torch in Yom Ha'atzmaut, the Israeli Independence Day for 75 years, like a year and a half ago on Mount Herzen.

S. Simon Jacob: 16:24

Okay.

Vered Ben-Sa'adon: 16:25

So that was a big, big, big story for us.

S. Simon Jacob: 16:29

How were you chosen?

Vered Ben-Sa'adon: 16:31

The idea was, the subject was pioneers. So they looked for pioneers all around Israel to light the torch and to get this big honor. And no question, we, we are pioneers. But unfortunately, the people in Israel and the state of Israel never sought to give this honor to the people living in Judea and Samaria that sacrificed so much. So I was the first settler, the first time to light a torch in Israel after so many years.

S. Simon Jacob: 16:58

Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow. Is there any advice you could give to a young woman looking to break into the wine business?

Vered Ben-Sa'adon: 17:10

Don't ask, don't think what other people will think. Do what you need to do and do it with all your love and faith. And even if it will be hard, try to look at the bigger picture, because I know how it is even today, with small things that happening and not easy. But when you like, look a little bit on the bigger picture. You will see how much you did already and you will get the faith how to continue.

S. Simon Jacob: 17:41

What role does the family play?

Vered Ben-Sa'adon: 17:44

in the winery.

Vered Ben-Sa'adon: 17:45

So if you will come to Shabbat, you will see like the Shabbat dinner is like a business meeting. Everybody's talking about what was in the last week, who did what, what's new and so on, what wines we need to produce, what we need to change. Um, it's all together, business and family. It's never separate, even if we try to do that. It's hard but it's also good. So our son finished gaza. He is an officer in the army. He was fighting for seven months, he lost more than 50 friends and he left Gaza two months ago and he joined us. So he is now working with us.

S. Simon Jacob: 18:30

She's working in the war.

Vered Ben-Sa'adon: 18:32

And we really need hands. So that was really good. Our other son is still fighting Gaza. He is in the commandant unit. We have another daughter. She's also in the Air Force, so she's there and we hope the little one will join us and the other son after he finishes the army as well. But in Israel, because we're serving the army, we need to be patient and wait. But you can see on our logo it's patience and inspiration. It means we need to wait and only if you wait you will see the results. The good results. And inspiration is because all of this area, the biblical area of Shomron, of Samaria, that's what gives us the courage to do what we're doing. We know we're not the only one, we're not the first one. We only continue doing what people stopped doing today's two thousand years ago just just a few more questions.

S. Simon Jacob: 19:26

I promise I'll let you go. What's your hope as far as the impact of the winery on the perception of wines coming out of Shomron the Shomron, Samaria?

Vered Ben-Sa'adon: 19:38

so I hope that one day the wines from Israel will be so good that people will know them all around the world like the wines from France or Italy, Not because they are kosher. Not only Jews, but in general. People will enjoy a good bottle of Israeli wine only because the fact they hear the wines are Israel are good, because we're the land of milk and honey, so they will look to see where they can find the wine from Israel, a good Israeli bottle.

S. Simon Jacob: 20:12

Can you tell a little bit of a story to share a moment when you felt that all that hard work and struggle were worth it?

Vered Ben-Sa'adon: 20:21

So there were many during the years. But it's when you get an award, when you see a couple that get married and have the wine at the chuppah, not because I gave it to them but because they took it from the shelf in Jerusalem or Tel Aviv, when I see people from Tel Aviv not religious, that they come here and sit on a good bottle of wine because they want it, because they choose it, of course the torch, that's awesome. That, of course, was a moment I told my mother, because my mother, like my grandmother, I told you, from the Jewish side, survived the Holocaust. I told you yes.

Vered Ben-Sa'adon: 21:01

But from the Non-Jewish side, my grandmother, the mother of my mother, helped the Nazis during the war. Wow. So she for years said please don't mention that. And I said, mommy, you don't have to be ashamed because of that, it's not you. Look what you did. You chose different. You came to Israel.

S. Simon Jacob: 21:21

Everybody chooses their life.

Vered Ben-Sa'adon: 21:22

Right and you came here and you have grandchildren that are serving in the army and look what's going on. And on that moment, when I lighted the torch, I was looking at her. She was sitting with all the audience and I knew it's for her More than me. I knew it's for her Because she was the one who did the big step.

S. Simon Jacob: 21:43

It's not me. So yeah, it's a huge deal. Okay, can you tell me a little bit about your wines? Of course, which one did you taste? I tasted the white.

Vered Ben-Sa'adon: 21:53

Yeah, what did you think?

S. Simon Jacob: 21:54

about it it's beautiful Good, it's incredibly well balanced Good, and it's just it's lovely.

Vered Ben-Sa'adon: 22:00

It's new on the shelf, it, and it's just, uh, it's lovely, it's new on the shelf. It's new, yes, and it's on the way to the states. It's even up there. It's on the way. Uh, it's called a sauvignon blanc 2003 no 2023 2023. Uh, it's a very good, balanced wine, no oak, very refreshing, good for this very summer it's got acid.

S. Simon Jacob: 22:21

It's here not too acidic, yeah no, but but it's um, it's lovely, and I can imagine that this with food would be fantastic right, so thank you okay uh.

Vered Ben-Sa'adon: 22:32

So the people in the states were listening. Right now look for it in the stores. I hope in one month it's on the way. Second bottle is the heartland. Uh, in the states they have 21, here in Israel we have 22. So the wine is a blend of Cabernet, Merlot, Petit Verdot. It's a blend of that was for 10 months in oak. We used oak. We are still in the entry level. We have three series. The Mountain Vista is the entry series, then we have the Mountain Heights. We have their Cabernet Merlot Shiraz, Two Years an Oak, very interesting and premium wines. And the Mountain Peak that we have is our flagship. It's the best one that we produce. Most of the awards, the best grapes, the best barrels. We mix them together.

S. Simon Jacob: 23:17

The Mountain Peak is what?

Vered Ben-Sa'adon: 23:20

That's the blend.

S. Simon Jacob: 23:21

It's a blend as well. I'll take a bottle with me, so that's fine. So you need time For.

Vered Ben-Sa'adon: 23:26

Mountain Peak. You need time. Okay, you need to open it a few hours before and then sit with it and you will see how it will develop in your glass every 10 minutes.

S. Simon Jacob: 23:36

Okay.

Vered Ben-Sa'adon: 23:37

So you need time, but you can see the Heartland that we're tasting right now is a very nice blend. Value for money. It's a very good bottle of wine, not too expensive. Here in Israel it's around, let's say, 90 shekels. In the States it's around $30, more or less.

S. Simon Jacob: 23:53

Same Very cool.

Vered Ben-Sa'adon: 23:55

Very good, so it's ready to drink.

S. Simon Jacob: 23:57

Yes, it's very approachable.

Vered Ben-Sa'adon: 24:00

Right, that's the word. So the Shiraz is already from the premium level. I didn't taste the wines with you. I hope they're okay.

S. Simon Jacob: 24:13

What.

Vered Ben-Sa'adon: 24:13

I didn't taste the wine with you. I hope they're okay.

S. Simon Jacob: 24:15

Yeah, so far they've been amazing Okay.

Vered Ben-Sa'adon: 24:19

So the Shiraz is a niche wine. Most of the people are asking for Cabernet, usually in plants, but the Shiraz is a very, very interesting variety that grows on Montgrisin very well. I think it's one of our best wines. That's my opinion, of course, if you have a different one, let me know. But still, people don't know enough about Shiraz.

S. Simon Jacob: 24:46

So one of the things I found with Shiraz is that it can go either way. It can be either very If you're a winemaker, you can make it light and for a light sort of wine, almost like a Grenache type of wine or you can make it very heavy. Or you can make it very heavy, or you can make it anywhere in between.

Vered Ben-Sa'adon: 25:06

The Shiraz in this era is not light, but what Erez is doing is you can hear the airplanes. Yeah, you hear that All morning over.

S. Simon Jacob: 25:15

Jerusalem. I get up for sleep, so I was up from 4 o'clock in the morning all morning. So our soldiers are walking really hard right now, Really hard today.

Vered Ben-Sa'adon: 25:24

Yeah, we send our blessings to them that we can sit here and drink wine, right, yep, because of them. How crazy it sounds, that's our reality.

S. Simon Jacob: 25:34

It's absolutely Crazy, crazy it is. I know.

Vered Ben-Sa'adon: 25:40

So what I wanted to say? So our Shiraz in this area is not light.

S. Simon Jacob: 25:44

Yeah.

Vered Ben-Sa'adon: 25:45

But the work of my husband of Erez is that he keeps very nice balance between the wood, the alcohol and the fruit. So it's never too oaky, it's never too alcoholic and I think also in this Shiraz you can see it's like it's his hand. You can see it's very like in all our wines. You can see the balance is very good and I think that's the whole chokhmah to keep the balance, because that's how you make a good wine.

S. Simon Jacob: 26:15

That's the basic goal for the wines that you're making. Yeah, to keep the balance.

Vered Ben-Sa'adon: 26:22

If you put the wine inside the barrels for two years like forgot them there, it will be too oaky. That's not the idea. So to know when to take it out, that it will not damage the fruits or the alcohol and not to make it too, when to harvest it will be not too alcohol, and so on. That's why you need to learn and you need the experience of time, Like we have.

S. Simon Jacob: 26:46

So you've been here. This is the.

Vered Ben-Sa'adon: 26:49

Harvest 11?. We are here. The one is 23 years old, Okay.

S. Simon Jacob: 26:56

But no, 20, 21 years old 21 years old.

Vered Ben-Sa'adon: 27:02

Yeah, 21 years old, because it's 2000, you opened in 2003 and it's 2024. Right, it's 21 years old, but we began sold our wines only after four years, like Orlai, netarabai, and then the time that was aged, so oh six. We planted 97, and 98 and we planted then the vineyards and after, like the first one, we produced in oh three and we sold it in oh six. That was the first time well, yeah it's a long time ago, right.

S. Simon Jacob: 27:40

I know you're involved in the business side of it are. Are there any goals for the future?

Vered Ben-Sa'adon: 27:46

Yeah, the first one is we're planning the new winery, the building.

S. Simon Jacob: 27:51

You're building a new winery.

Vered Ben-Sa'adon: 27:54

In the entrance of Rechelim to this community. It's a lot of money. We need to sell a lot of wine.

S. Simon Jacob: 28:01

Please God.

Vered Ben-Sa'adon: 28:02

Yes, so we are working very hard and again, this building is more than a winery. It's a place that will be a part of Yeshua V'aretz, of pioneers, of people will come visit and see what a Shomron is. So that's very important and it's supposed to be nice and big that many people can come. So that's our goal and in these days, what I'm telling I just came back from the States. You know, because we spoke there what I'm telling the people I don't know who is are your audience, more people from Israel or outside.

S. Simon Jacob: 28:34

All over, all over 57 countries.

Vered Ben-Sa'adon: 28:37

I will say to the people that lives outside the country, outside Israel Guys, we need you. People in Israel are sad, they're not buying so much wines and we need you. Please go and buy, grab a bottle of two wines from the shelf. We need you so we can continue. We can't do it alone, by ourselves, we can't. So people in Israel, please try and enjoy it. It's more than a bottle of wine.

S. Simon Jacob: 29:04

Like I mentioned before, what I tell people from the States is one of the best ways to support Israel right now is a way that you could be very it helps you too. Buy a bottle of Israeli wine and have it on Shabbat. You know, have try Israeli wines because they're amazing. They're absolutely amazing wines, and also that's how they can take apart.

Vered Ben-Sa'adon: 29:29

Yes, that's very important.

S. Simon Jacob: 29:31

Yeah, because you're actually drinking the terroir from the Shamron here, right, right out of a glass. Right, it's amazing. It's amazing, it's a miracle. Yeah, it is.

Vered Ben-Sa'adon: 29:43

We're waiting for so many years to drink wines from Israel, so we have an opportunity. Don't focus on that 100%.

S. Simon Jacob: 29:54

You also make olive oil, yeah we make extra virgin olive oil.

Vered Ben-Sa'adon: 29:58

It's almost out of stock. We'll be again when the harvest begins ok, so the harvest is over.

S. Simon Jacob: 30:08

For you now, the harvest of the wines, or the olives. No, for the wines.

Vered Ben-Sa'adon: 30:12

So the wines were still in the middle. Usually we finish harvesting in the middle of October. Okay, so this year it's a little bit earlier because it was very hot in Israel. So I guess the beginning of October we will finish two weeks before, and then in November the harvest of the olives begin. Until there will be olive oil will be December.

S. Simon Jacob: 30:36

Is there anything else we can ask of people to come and visit?

Vered Ben-Sa'adon: 30:43

Okay, so we're soon at Sukkot and. I'm praying that this Sukkot will be different than the other one, not the other one, but yeah, then Pesach was that we will see many tourists, many people from Israel that will do Aliyah to the Shomron, to Rechelim, to Torah. We need the people, we need to see them. You see, the place is empty. We need the people to Torah, we need the people we need to see them. You see, the place is empty. We need the people to come.

S. Simon Jacob: 31:11

Yeah, that will give us the courage to continue. Please God, Please God. Thank you very much for your time, for your effort to come here. Thank you for spending the time. No question Pleasure. Thank you very much. Chag Sameach, Chag Sameach Tovah. Thank you for spending the time. No question pleasure.

Vered Ben-Sa'adon: 31:29

Thank you very much that we should have a better Shana Amen.

S. Simon Jacob: 31:37

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